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Hmmm... I don't recall this. Dukey? Were you ever approached by these folks?

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Penguin group marketing and publicity director Joanna Prior said that Penguin had announced the news to Adams and Colfer fan sites before issuing the press release: "Actor Simon Jones [who played Arthur Dent in the original radio series, and the TV adaptation] recorded a special message. We went to the fan sites first to get them excited and to explain that it’s a sanctioned thing, and that Douglas’ estate and his widow are happy to have it happening. They want to reach out to new readers and younger readers." Prior added that only one sequel by Colfer was planned "for now".

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Didn't Douglas also say he was overwhelmed by the “valueâ€


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That's true, when (can I hope still for if?) it's released you won't be able to get within 10 yards of a bookshop and have a H2G2 poster glaring at you.

Best start preparing for it now :sad:

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Hmmm... I don't recall this. Dukey? Were you ever approached by these folks?

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Penguin group marketing and publicity director Joanna Prior said that Penguin had announced the news to Adams and Colfer fan sites before issuing the press release: "Actor Simon Jones [who played Arthur Dent in the original radio series, and the TV adaptation] recorded a special message. We went to the fan sites first to get them excited and to explain that it’s a sanctioned thing, and that Douglas’ estate and his widow are happy to have it happening. They want to reach out to new readers and younger readers." Prior added that only one sequel by Colfer was planned "for now".


Nope. Not a word. Could be they didn't know we exist.

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Hmmm... I don't recall this. Dukey? Were you ever approached by these folks?

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Penguin group marketing and publicity director Joanna Prior said that Penguin had announced the news to Adams and Colfer fan sites before issuing the press release: "Actor Simon Jones [who played Arthur Dent in the original radio series, and the TV adaptation] recorded a special message. We went to the fan sites first to get them excited and to explain that it’s a sanctioned thing, and that Douglas’ estate and his widow are happy to have it happening. They want to reach out to new readers and younger readers." Prior added that only one sequel by Colfer was planned "for now".

Gonz , Penguin released the news on various websites and forums before going to the press. The first post in this thread is by Colbie who is presumably something to do with Penguin.

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That's true, when (can I hope still for if?) it's released you won't be able to get within 10 yards of a bookshop and have a H2G2 poster glaring at you.

Thankfully, I still have my peril sensitive sunglasses from the old Infocom game.

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Gonz , Penguin released the news on various websites and forums before going to the press. The first post in this thread is by Colbie who is presumably something to do with Penguin.

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Gonz , Penguin released the news on various websites and forums before going to the press. The first post in this thread is by Colbie who is presumably something to do with Penguin.

Spamming bastard!

Quite, penguin released the news at 6pm and by 6.08 Colbie had posted here with the link.

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Gonz , Penguin released the news on various websites and forums before going to the press. The first post in this thread is by Colbie who is presumably something to do with Penguin.

Spamming bastard!

Quite, penguin released the news at 6pm and by 6.08 Colbie had posted here with the link.

Maybe I misinterpreted it. But when I read "We went to the fan sites first to get them excited and to explain that it’s a sanctioned thing", I was expecting some sort of outreach to the fan sites. I was thinking something like the movie where Dukey and Simo got images and took tours of the set, etc. Instead, it seems like they just did a Google search and splattered some nonsense on fan sites.

And if they think Floor 42 is hating the idea, they should come over here.

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Neil Gaiman's journal wrote:
Several people wrote to ask what I thought about Eoin Colfer writing a new Hitchhiker's book -- for example,

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_a ... 773155.ece
In regard to the above, did they ask you to do it, and would you have accepted if they had?

Nobody asked me to do it, but then, when Douglas asked me if I'd like to adapt Life, The Universe and Everything for radio I said no, and that was with Douglas alive and asking. (Dirk Maggs did it, and did an excellent job.) It seemed a thankless task.

I like Eoin very much, and wish him well with the book. He'll probably write a sixth Hitchhiker's book with more enthusiasm, and certainly faster, than Douglas would have done. But it won't be a Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's book.

For the record, if I don't get around to writing a sequel to something while I'm alive, I'd very much rather that nobody else does it once I'm dead. It should exist in your head or in Lucien's library, or in fanfic. But that's me, and not every author feels the same way.

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Neil Gaiman's journal wrote:
For the record, if I don't get around to writing a sequel to something while I'm alive, I'd very much rather that nobody else does it once I'm dead.

As it should be.

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Again, the question of "why" is unresolved. If he's taking Douglas' characters and writing new adventures for them, then why can he not just create his own characters and write a new series?

I also thought that it sounded strange when he assured that he won't touch the first five books, just take the characters and put them in a new story, although Douglas certainly wouldn't be the first author whose characters gets recycled in such a way (just ask Ian Flemming...)

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Neil Gaiman's journal wrote:
For the record, if I don't get around to writing a sequel to something while I'm alive, I'd very much rather that nobody else does it once I'm dead.


Well, I believe that kinda sums up his real feelings about the whole thing.

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Maybe I misinterpreted it. But when I read "We went to the fan sites first to get them excited and to explain that it’s a sanctioned thing", I was expecting some sort of outreach to the fan sites. I was thinking something like the movie where Dukey and Simo got images and took tours of the set, etc.


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That is an easy question to answer if you have been actually reading the reports.

1.He was ASKED to do a Hitchhikers book so why would he not use Hitchhiker characters.

2.He wants to give the series a happy ending as Douglas wanted.

Fairly easy to answer.

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I heard an interview with Colfer on NPR, where the interviewer said she was a HUGE HUGE HUGE fan of DNA (Colfer amusingly said that he was most impressed by the third huge) and she asked many of these questions: "Why", for example (which he didn't really answer directly) and also the one above that Scratch asked.

The interview can be heard here.

He evades the questions very well. Again, the question of "why" is unresolved. If he's taking Douglas' characters and writing new adventures for them, then why can he not just create his own characters and write a new series?


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http://www.thebookseller.com/blogs/6734 ... -fair.html

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I suspect her analysis is essentially sound - come next October I suspect many of the fans will give in to the temptation.

I also think that the article would have been more interesting, had the subject of Salubrinas comment been touched upon.


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I suspect her analysis is essentially sound - come next October I suspect many of the fans will give in to the temptation.

I also think that the article would have been more interesting, had the subject of Salubrinas comment been touched upon.

Well, I haven't seen what comments he's ignoring, but rregarding her comment, I wouldn't be surprised if he considers it to be better to focus on writing the book than trying to defend himhelf on different forums or even on his own site. After all, no matter what he replies, the only thing that counts in the long run is if he writes a good book or not, so why waste time on other things? (Just me guessing...)

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1.He was ASKED to do a Hitchhikers book so why would he not use Hitchhiker characters.

2.He wants to give the series a happy ending as Douglas wanted.

Fairly easy to answer.

I have read the reports. I still don't think that was a satisfying answer.

1) Just because you're asked doesn't mean you can do it.

2) Still not a good enough reason. Mostly Harmless, though disappointing, is an ending. And if we want a happy ending, Dirk Maggs' adaptation was quite nice by itself, thank you.

I think the franchise is doing quite well on its own. I'm all for wanting to keep his name alive and all but this isn't going to be a Douglas Adams book. Nor will it be a Hitchhiker's book.

One point that seems to be missed here is that Jane Belson is not Douglas Adams. She is his widow, in charge of his estate and personally suffered more from DNA's death than any of us on here (save James). She could have gone into this with the keenest of hearts and desire to give us one last fling with Arthur, Ford, et al. But she is not Douglas and cannot realistically state that this is the best path to take, that he would approve.

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How many times have you heard people say that Hitchhikers had changed their lives, or had got them through school/college or had given them a new perspective on life, the universe and everything? How long has hitchhikers been held in such high esteem by radio drama fans, other authors, sci fi fans and people who just like intelligent comedy?


For fuck's sake start seeing some sense here and put an end to this travesty, it's beginning to really annoy me.

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Eoin Colfer wrote:
My first reaction was semi-outrage that anyone should be allowed to tamper with this incredible series.

But on reflection I realised that this is a wonderful opportunity to work with characters I have loved since childhood and give them something of my own voice while holding on to the spirit of Douglas Adams.


Why couldn't he have just stuck with his initial reaction?


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http://www.thebookseller.com/blogs/67349-new-hitchhiker-is-fowl-fair.html

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Benedicte Page wrote:
My guess is that come October next year, all but the die-hard purists will find And Another Thing, if not the match of an original Adams novel, still surprisingly hard to resist.

Even though I would never use that term to describe myself I'm quite happy to be a die-hard purist as I suspect millions of others are too.

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Me, I just want James to come back. I miss his naughty posts.

Hmmm ... it's been a while since we've reincarnated The Shoe Foruum ...

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As much as this rubs me the wrong way (Hitchhikers with zero Douglas involvement seems a bad, bad idea) I wonder if this project can actually help to introduce Adams to new readers? Certainly the fans of Artemus Fowl are likely to pick up the new book, and if they like it they might go back and read the originals. That would certainly be the best possible scenario.

I'm also wondering about the track record of similar projects, such as the "sequel" to Gone with the Wind or the "new" James Bond books. Do these somehow cheapen the original, or just put the original back in the public eye?

Heck, is that infamous Gone with the Wind sequel even in print anymore?


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Heck, is that infamous Gone with the Wind sequel even in print anymore?


I think it went with the wind.

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It didnt change my life. How could it? it's just a comedy, a fact that Adams forgot when he wrote the last two books.

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How many times have you heard people say that Hitchhikers had changed their lives, or had got them through school/college or had given them a new perspective on life, the universe and everything? How long has hitchhikers been held in such high esteem by radio drama fans, other authors, sci fi fans and people who just like intelligent comedy?


For fuck's sake start seeing some sense here and put an end to this travesty, it's beginning to really annoy me.


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Where is Slartibartfast when you need him? We need someone to set up The Campaign for Real Douglas Adams, or CAMDAM as it could be known.
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Where is Slartibartfast when you need him? We need someone to set up The Campaign for Real Douglas Adams, or CAMDAM as it could be known.
Slogan: As Arthur Dent, didn’t say "Ford, you’re going to be published by Penguin, stop it."


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The Duke of Dunstable wrote:
http://www.thebookseller.com/blogs/67349-new-hitchhiker-is-fowl-fair.html

Your thoughts on her thoughts?


I certainly don't consider myself a "die hard purist" but I feel quite
confident I'll be able to resist the temptation when the time comes.
Otherwise, how could I respect myself in the morning? That sounds
like another cheap joke (who, me, make a cheap joke?) but it's
actually not so far from the truth of it. It's an emotional response,
sure, but the bottom line is I think I'd feel sort of dirty reading it,
like I was tainting the memory of something I love rather dearly.




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It didnt change my life. How could it? it's just a comedy, a fact that Adams forgot when he wrote the last two books.

You're not from around here, are you?

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...did my post get deleted?! I could've sworn I hit update...I don't remember saying anything offensive...I feel crazy. Huh.

Well, in any case, I think the sales numbers next year will tell whether or not this was a good idea from Penguin's view. So far, the most positive response I've heard elsewhere is along the lines of "I'm morbidly curious" so I suspect a good amount of the sales will come from kids and adults who know Colfer. Colfer, while "quirkily funny," is so in a different that Douglas was "quirkily funny" so I think the possible crossing-over to the Adams side may be a bit rocky.

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It didnt change my life. How could it? it's just a comedy, a fact that Adams forgot when he wrote the last two books.


It is just one of the more snobbish thing i've ever heard.

It's just a comedy? And what is wrong with comedies? Yes british comedies changed my life, and H2G2 is very important for me. You can use humour and say very important things.

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It didnt change my life. How could it? it's just a comedy, a fact that Adams forgot when he wrote the last two books.

I can't say it changed my life either but a lot of people have said it changed theirs. And to say it's just a comedy is like saying the Zaphod is just this guy y'now. Penguin will always have a target audience for this book when there's people like you around.
Anyway I've always thought the books were secondary to the radio series.

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Well, the books certainly gave me plenty of quotes to use at (in)appropriate moments, but I remember hiding under the bedsheets listening to the radio series when I was a fairly impressionable age, so I guess they did shape me in some form or another.

I certainly won't be hunting on eBay for promotional material the way I did for, say, the film.

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J K Rowling

Ah. Now you're just being a troll.

BTW, Pratchett has it set up so that no one will be writing Discworld after he's met THE GUY WHO TALKS LIKE THIS.

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It certainly changed my life. I should be working and instead I'm posting on this forum. How else would I procrastinate if I didn't have this diversion, which wouldn't exist if it weren't for DNA's books?

As to the last two books, I'm sorry, but I find them even funnier that the first three because the humor is darker and more psychologically complicated. The Domain of the King? The Sandwich Maker? The Squirrels with the paper napkins? The Raffle Lady? Obviously, I could go on...

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Ken Socrates wrote:
The Duke of Dunstable wrote:
http://www.thebookseller.com/blogs/67349-new-hitchhiker-is-fowl-fair.html

Your thoughts on her thoughts?


I certainly don't consider myself a "die hard purist" but I feel quite
confident I'll be able to resist the temptation when the time comes.
Otherwise, how could I respect myself in the morning? That sounds
like another cheap joke (who, me, make a cheap joke?) but it's
actually not so far from the truth of it. It's an emotional response,
sure, but the bottom line is I think I'd feel sort of dirty reading it,
like I was tainting the memory of something I love rather dearly.


Well, while I don't think this is a good idea, and suspect already that I won't really take to this, I don't think I'll feel dirty reading it. It isn't as if they are putting Douglas Adams name on the book and trying to push it off as, "We found a complete HHGG novel hidden in some secret file folder on his laptop." I just have the feeling it will be like watching the New WKRP In Cincinnati - it will feel off and the characters that you are used to will look and sound a little different. But it doesn't mean that it won't be funny. Even the New WKRP had a moment or two that worked. And I am a whore for the funny. But yeah...now that you mention it, I probably won't pick up the hardback version.

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Janette wrote:
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It didnt change my life. How could it? it's just a comedy, a fact that Adams forgot when he wrote the last two books.


It certainly changed my life. I should be working and instead I'm posting on this forum. How else would I procrastinate if I didn't have this diversion, which wouldn't exist if it weren't for DNA's books?

As to the last two books, I'm sorry, but I find them even funnier that the first three because the humor is darker and more psychologically complicated. The Domain of the King? The Sandwich Maker? The Squirrels with the paper napkins? The Raffle Lady? Obviously, I could go on...


completely agree!, the radio series puts some amazing images in my head, espically Agrajg.
i love em all.

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